In Defense of Robb Stark

Posted: February 11, 2014 by patricksponaugle in Game of Thrones, Opinion, TV
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Hey, it’s almost Valentine’s Day, and who better to talk about than the incorrigible romantic, Robb Stark?

Before we get started, anyone who hasn’t seen the first three seasons of Game of Thrones, or hasn’t read the equivalent amount from the book series (or hasn’t read all the season recaps that came during and after Season Three) I really don’t want you reading this post. Because it’s going to be spoilery, and I’d rather you watch the show and experience Robb Stark’s storyline fresh.


If You Don’t Recognize This Scene, Stop Reading.

I’m serious as a heart attack. I don’t want to spoil you.

Okay, so no one here but us Sullied? Good.

In Defense of Robb Stark

Robb’s a tough character to defend. On paper though, he’s awesome. Good looking eldest son of Lord Eddard Stark. Confident, courageous. Smart in the battlefield.

He was decent and gracious to Jon Snow, his brother from another mother. In other dynastic stories, these two would have been at each other’s throats.

Unfortunately, he was cut down in his prime through treachery. And to a certain extent, his missteps as king.

I think he did mess up, but I think he didn’t mess up as badly as some people have maintained. So I’d like to lawyer up and see if I can put a more positive spin on the short rule of Robb Stark, the King in the North.

Before we begin, I’d like to suggest two quick polls. Taking them is entirely optional, and you won’t be graded.

In general, Robb is criticized for two situations: breaking the marriage promise with Walder Frey, and his insistence on executing Lord Rickard Karstark. I’ll tackle both issues.

Love is the Death of Duty

Old Maester Aemon Targaryen had this to say about Love:

Maester Aemon: Jon, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night’s Watch take no wives and father no children?
Jon Snow: No.
Maester Aemon: So they will not love, for love is the bane of honor, the death of duty.

In my polls above, I laid that out as a choice involving both Jon Snow and Robb Stark.

Jon Snow is occasionally given heat for abandoning his love, the fiery Ygritte, in order to warn the anti-immigration Night’s Watch of an impending Wildling attack. I don’t agree with busting on Jon for that (see In Defense of Bad Boyfriend Jon Snow) but the curious thing is that the same voices complaining about Jon choosing duty over love often also complain about Robb choosing love over duty.

I’m a bit of a hopeless romantic at heart, so I’m inclined to sympathize with Robb, but he probably needed to do his duty as his childhood friend Jon did. (This point is less of a defense for Robb and more of a continuation of my endless defense of Jon Snow. I can’t stop defending that bastard.)

But I also think there are extenuating circumstances that should be considered.

Duty to One’s Liege, Duty to One’s People

Upon Ned Stark’s capture, Robb mobilized the North and started marching south. Ned was a really good reason to activate the northern levies, but there were other reasons. The Lannisters had invaded the Riverlands and were rampaging across the land.

The ill and dying Lord of the Riverlands, Hoster Tully, was trapped in his ancestral castle Riverrun, besieged by the Kingslayer himself, Jaime Lannister.

Hoster Tully was Robb’s grandfather. If anything happened to Hoster and his son Edmure, Robb would have a strong claim to the Riverlands. With this claim comes great responsibility. It was his duty to defend the lands of his mother’s birth.


On leaving the North, Robb’s army came to the Trident river and the Twins, the bridge-like castle of the Lord of the Crossing, Walder Frey.

Walder Frey also happened to be a bannerman of Hoster Tully, so it’s rather uncool all around that:

  1. he wasn’t mobilizing to defend his liege lord or the Riverlands
  2. he wasn’t more helpful to his liege lord’s grandson and daughter.

Regardless of Robb’s actions in defiance of orders from the crown, Frey had a duty to the Tully family. He could let Robb’s army pass unhindered with no real risk to himself. Should Robb and the northmen be routed in the Riverlands, it wouldn’t be worth the Lannisters’ time to come so far north to punish Frey. Lord Walder could merely make excuses for following directives as a good vassal should, pledge fealty to whomever was running the Riverlands now and that would be that.

Instead, he used the opportunity to extort political alliances into two powerful families, the Starks of Winterfell and the Tullys (since Robb could theoretically inherit both, but more than just Robb was promised to marry a Frey, Arya was likewise part of the package.)

With nearly zero risk and great rewards, Walder Frey hit the jackpot.

But then things happened.

The Changing Political Landscape

Robb was elected King in the North by his men. By virtue of rescuing the Riverlands from the invading Lannisters (and being of the Tully bloodline), the river-lords likewise pledged allegiance to Robb. Suddenly Walder Frey, by shirking his duty to his liege, was receiving an order of magnitude more benefit. It wasn’t that one of his daughters would one day be Lady Stark of Winterfell, one of his daughters would be Queen in the North.


This Guy Makes Argus Filch Seem Cuddly and Sweet

In my opinion, Walder Frey needed to then bring something else to the table, to match the windfall that had suddenly befell him. But instead, ratlike Frey expected that his minimum effort would reap maximum rewards.

So, I’m not that heartbroken for Frey that things didn’t work out that way.

It’s not the first time in the history of Game of Thrones that a monarch got out of an arranged marriage. Although I’m not so sure I want to use Joffrey as an example for Robb’s behavior.

But it’s good to be the king.

The Beheading of Lord Rickard Karstark


Rickard “Rickie” Karstark. And His Beard

Understanding Robb’s decision to behead Lord Karstark requires a re-examination of the events leading up to the execution. (Book readers, I’m working entirely from the Television Show here.)

  • Robb Stark surprised Jaime Lannister’s forces after sending a smaller group to engage Lord Tywin’s main host. In capturing Jaime, one of Lord Rickard Karstark’s sons died honorably in battle. He was killed by Jaime who was trying to cut his way to Robb.
  • After holding Jaime Lannister in ridiculously bad conditions for months and months, Jaime attempts to escape. The escape attempt takes the life of Lord Karstark’s remaining son.
  • Jaime is recaptured, Robb is away from camp, and Catelyn fears that the Karstarks will kill Jaime, regardless of their fealty to Robb. Jaime is Catelyn’s only thing to trade for her daughters’ release. To save Jaime’s life, Catelyn surreptitiously frees Jaime, putting him into the custody of Brienne of Tarth. Brienne is tasked with safely delivering the Kingslayer to his family as a debt that the Lannisters would be honor bound to pay.
  • The furious Lord Karstark gets more incensed that Robb is hesitant to punish his own mother harshly. When Robb’s host relocates to Riverrun for the funeral of old Lord Hoster and the elevation of Edmure Tully to lord of the Riverlands, Lord Karstark takes the opportunity to murder the Lannister hostages Edmure has in his care, the squires Willem and Martyn.

Karstark’s only real attempt to justify his actions is to correlate his murdering of the innocent squires with Catelyn releasing Jaime Lannister against Robb’s wishes. (Interesting, since Catelyn saved a life and Karstark took two.)

Robb hears counsel to spare Karstark’s life but to keep him in chains, as a hostage to ensure good behavior from the Karstark troops.

Instead, Robb orders the man’s execution and in the northern tradition, carries out the sentence himself.

This led to the desertion of the Karstark troops, forcing Robb to seek peace with Walder Frey. An alternative match of marriage is offered: Edmure Tully, the lord of the Riverlands, would marry one of Frey’s daughters.

And that led to the Red Wedding, and this:


Sadly, Robb Does Not Become a Werewolf and Gut These Guys

The Reason Lord Karstark Had to Die

Before we get into that, here’s two more optional non-graded polls. I have my reasons.

Right before Lord Karstark decided to murder his king’s prisoners, Robb got word from Roose Bolton that Winterfell had been burned and his brothers were either captive or dead. If captive, Robb’s actions could endanger their lives. If dead, then Theon had egregiously violated his responsibilities as their captor.


Theon’s Moment of Triumph. Enjoy It While You Can, Dude.

Through Karstark’s actions, Robb found himself in a very similar position to Theon. It doesn’t really matter that it was Karstark acting without royal command, the Lannister boys were killed on Robb’s watch.

Since Robb had no other Lannister family member as hostage, there was no reason for Sansa and Arya to be left unharmed (remember, no one knew that Arya was not a captive), and if the Stark boys were still alive as captives and not dead, Tywin could theoretically exert influence over the Greyjoys (gold, yo) to have them summarily punished for Willem and Martyn’s murder.


It’s a Cold Wet Day for Cold Wet Justice

Robb needed to act immediately and unequivocably to distance himself from the murder of the Lannister boys. And that meant executing Lord Karstark.

Keeping Karstark alive and in prison *might* have kept the Karstark men in check, but they had already been willing to murder innocent prisoners, and might do something equally stupid to free their Lord. Regardless of the Karstark troop compliance, it would do nothing to protect Robb’s captive family.

Killing Karstark was not only justice, it was a rational move.

As always, these are my opinions, and I’d be interested in hearing anyone else’s thoughts, either in support or against my position.

I don’t want to just be a knee-jerk apologist for the Starks. Even if I love them so.


Images from HBO’s Game of Thrones, obviously.

I make no claim to the artwork, but some claims to the text here, so there.

© Patrick Sponaugle 2014 Some Rights Reserved

  1. dog-eared & foxing says:

    I miss Robb so much 😦 He couldn’t just marry a Frey and have a mistress like everyone else?? I suppose Robb’s too honorable for that.

    Sidenote: Do you think that things would have turned out differently if Walder would have marched Rosalyn out with the rest of his brood? Let’s not forget that (in the books) Robb is 15/16 years old. He’s most definitely not always thinking with the right head, and had he known there was a hot Frey, he may have been less inclined to chase the first pretty face he saw.


    • Hmmm, it might have helped if Robb had seen her (of if Catelyn had told him that Wow, one of them must totally take after her mother…)

      So, things might have turned out differently, of course. The north would have still fallen to the Ironborn, and Lord Karstark would have still been beheaded probably.

      It’s possible that things would still go south. Once Robb had an heir inside Roslyn, Lord Tywin would have probably tried to really make it worth Lord Walder’s time to arrange an accident for Robb. That way Tywin and Lord Walder would have control of the heirs of the North.

      Roose Bolton would still be a treacherous snake.

      Things might not have worked out that way, of course.


  2. mystichuntress says:

    Reblogged this on mystichuntress.


  3. Desperado316 says:

    Its actually really funny when you think about it…

    I thought what Jon did was wrong but Robb was also wrong. Yet they both did opposite things so one of them had to be right… Right? So it just shows, if Robb took Jon’s approach and Jon took Robb’s, things would have turned out a lot different in the series but everything comes down to decisions. Whatever decision you make, somebody will call you out on it.


    • Thank you so much for that comment! That’s why I put up those (false-equivalent) situations. Obviously, Robb and Jon are in wildly different circumstances, but I like bringing up stuff like that for discussion.

      Thank you again for the feedback.


  4. rossmartin5890 says:

    I have always rooted for Robb, and was devastated by the RW. However, Robb made some crucial mistakes during his reign:

    1.) Robb should’ve told his plan of leading Tywin out of Harrenhal to Edmure. Edmure, seeking glory, rushed out to meet Tywin which led to his decision to turn towards King’s Landing to aid his family.

    2.) Robb, or at least one damn person from his army, should’ve noticed Bolton’s inevitable treachery. The decision to march on Duskendale by Glover was set up by Roose; which led many Northmen to their grave.

    Robb’s men were all loyal to him, and to disobey his command to go on to a hopeless and useless ruin such as Duskendale should’ve struck him as odd. Alas, I didn’t catch on to this either so I cant’t say much.

    3.) Robb sending Theon to Balon was stupid. To think that Balon would aid the family who ended his rebellion, killed two of his sons, and took away his last living son was foolish. Also, when have the Greyjoy’s ever aided another region of the realm? After reading the Dunk and Egg tales, The Princess and the Queen, and hearing about Robert’s Rebellion, it is evident that the Greyjoy’s don’t help anyone who isn’t Ironborn. Rob should’ve listened to Cat, and kept Theon by his side.

    Having said all of this, it pains me that Robb is no longer apart of the series (primarily talking about the novels because I enjoy them more), but he died due to making some poor decisions. I like when characters pay for their actions; it makes the series realistic; even in a fantasy.


    • Solid commentary! I can’t defend Robb against those charges (which is why I didn’t.) You’re too right.

      – Brynden Tully knew his nephew a lot better than Robb, so you think he’d fill him in like you said as well, just to prevent him from being a clown. I wish Robb had included Edmure in those plans.

      – I felt super surprised by Bolton’s treachery. In the books, Arya felt he was skeevy, and didn’t trust him, but, and I have no basis for this, I just didn’t suspect him. When Robb (in the books) made his plan to retake the North right after the Wedding, I was all YEAH, hell YEAH. And when he got betrayed, I was all Oh No! I was surprised, but a part of me recognized all that skeeviness was there for a reason. So maybe everyone in Robb’s group was thinking the same thing.

      – In regards to Robb sending Theon, it was Robb’s blindness, growing up with Theon, and thinking his trust in Theon could extend to Balon. Theon had the same problem. They both were in love with this idea. I’ve thought over Balon’s options, and his plan to attack the vulnerable North was solid. He could even use the bottled up North as leverage against retaliation from the rest of the kingdoms. (Play nice and I’ll keep the North quiet, send ships my way, and I’ll pull my men out of the North…) Since Balon just wanted Independence for the islands (more or less) he had no vested interested getting involved in a war in central Westeros.

      I miss Robb too, and I don’t mind being an apologist for him, but you are right, he made a lot of blunders.

      (Damn that Roose Bolton. Damn that Walder Rat-Face Frey.)


      • rossmartin5890 says:

        I’m right with you about feeling excitement for Robb taking back the North. I was angry at Theon, and wanted to see the rest of the Ironborn pay. I didn’t see Robb’s death coming at all. Thinking back on it, I should’ve noticed his death being foreshadowed in the Dany House of the Undying chapter: “In the throne above them sat a dead man with the head of a wolf. He wore an iron crown and held a leg of lamb in one hand as a king might hold a scepter.”


  5. Xavier Yes says:

    This is probably my favorite “In Defense Of…” post so far. Robb, in addition to being one of my personal favorites, is such an incredibly brilliant, well-defined character who has made many questionable decisions. Also, his hair should be my hair, and now that he’s dead I can’t look at it any more.


    • Hey, I’m honored that this is your favorite. When I was planning this defense, I was really worried, because everyone finds such 20/20 hindsight fault with the King in the North. As it is, I can’t defend him on the marriage part, really.

      He’s also one of my favorite characters, since there was no Robb POV, all of the stories told him about him just sounded epic, and Robb on the show was just the right combination of good looking and earnest. (And I regret as well that his hair was not bequeathed to me.)

      Thanks again for your comments, Xavier, they’re always appreciated.


  6. davetalksmovies says:

    Like Xavier i too have not got around to the books which is surprising for me as i do love a good read. My problem is now i know what happens is it worth getting the books and having those “Oooooooooohhhhhhhh” moments.


    • I get what you are saying Dave, but the books still provide a great experience. Many of the secondary characters get really fleshed out. Like Jory Cassel, Ned’s right hand man. I was super pissed when he was killed in the books.

      How innocent I was. So naive.

      Thanks for your feedback!


  7. jennnanigans says:

    I think the casting for the show was perfect, but when I was reading the book it was a lot easier for me to accept his romantic blunders and his general blunders because I could more easily accept a teenager of 15/16 making that mistake. In the show I have a harder time forgiving when he messes up, probably because he’s older and just so dreamy. I suppose also because he spends all this time counseling his bannermen to not do stupid things and then he flies right past them to take the gold in the Doing Stupid Things Olympics with the marriage. The Karstark thing I saw as something he HAD to do, but as one of those things that wouldn’t make him very popular. But like you said, hindsight is 20/20 and all that!
    If Catelyn Stark’s releasing the Kingslayer had resulted in him bouncing straight to Qarth and putting a sword through Danaerys Targaryen I would probably be mad at her the same way I am at Robb. My heart, it is capricious!


    • 🙂 it’s all good, you and your capricious heart!

      I really can’t defend Robb and his marrying Talisa/Jeyne, but I enjoyed it as a challenge.

      I think they did a great job casting the young wolf, in some ways book Robb had it easier because we just kept hearing about all these awesome things he was doing, it was legendary. Since we’re reading about Robb through Catelyn’s lens (or Arya’s lens when she’d hear stuff) Robb comes through even more great.

      Thanks for reading and for your comments!


  8. inertialconfinement says:

    I love your insights into Robb’s character. I liked him a lot and sometimes wished we got to see more of him and his inner struggles, but perhaps the distance from his character is what made him more intriguing.

    Killing Lord Karstark was definitely a rational move. Robb wanted to be a just king and he took a lot of his responsibilities seriously. Marrying Talisa/Jeyne almost seemed inconsistent with that part of his character, but I think he honestly thought he was doing what was just, given how Jeyne’s prospects would have been significantly lower for her now that she wasn’t a virgin (I think she was a virgin before Robb slept with her). Robb is part Tully, whose words are, “Family, Duty, Honor.” It makes sense he would believe his actions were the right thing to do (it also gets us inside Cat’s thinking when she released Jaime for her daughters). Family first, then duty.

    I think Robb wanted to be the noble, honest, just leader his father was, but learned first hand how difficult it could be to choose between justice for individual people and what’s best for the group.

    There’s definitely no easy answer to that. Robb was doing what he thought was right. Unfortunately, it got him and a lot of people killed. It’s hard to blame him, though. As you pointed out, Frey should have been helping Robb with or without the promise of a marriage. Frey was being greedy, and who knows how much more he would have wanted from Robb after Robb married one of his daughters.


  9. Alex says:

    Walder Frey had no grounds to deny the Starks passage, and he certainly had no grounds to marry to the king’s family just to grant that family.

    Robb only made one misstep, and that’s not burning the Twins to the ground.


  10. krisweinrich says:

    Well written.

    (note: I’m talking about the show)

    I’ve read that GRRM said that Robb was screwed no matter what. Even if he kept his word, Walder Frey would still have betrayed him. The Freys are the most shameless opportunists in all of Westeros. I can’t get too mad at Robb for falling for Talisa. Hell, I fell in love with her too when she explained her reasons for leaving Volantis. That woman had soul!

    While Cat releasing Jamie was all kinds of stupid, that was still no excuse for Karstark to murder the Lannister boy and his squire. Robb had to bring Karstark to justice for his war crime. While, I would have kept him prisoner and waited till after the war for his trial, perhaps even that would not work. The Karstarks are some hardheaded and shortsighted people.

    Robb had a lot of circumstances working against him: the Lannisters had more men, the Northmen chose him as their king before he could work out a political strategy regarding who would end up sitting on the Iron Throne, the few bannermen he had were headstrong and difficult to manage, the Baratheons were fighting amongst themselves instead of joining forces to overthrow Joffrey, and the Freys and Boltons are all traitorous scum! Right along with the Greyjoys, they are the most morally bankrupt houses in Westeros.

    Even if that grim, humorless, religious fundamentalist Stannis takes the throne, it would be worthwhile if we get to see him raze houses Frey and Bolton to the ground. I’ve read that in the books he carries out a military campaign to liberate Bolton occupied Winterfell I hope we get to see that in action and he sets his sights on the Frey’s next.

    I miss Robb. He was a brave, goodhearted man who wanted to do right by his family and his people. He lost because of a nasty combination of bad circumstances and poor decision making.

    The King in the North is dead. Long live the King in the North!


    • The King in the North!

      First things first, hats off with respect for your excellent and detailed comment. It’s very much appreciated. I’m glad to hear from someone who has something good to say about his grace, good king Robb. I miss him too, and the north sorely needs him.

      Only three more months until Season 5 kicks in. We can certainly hope that it’ll be a bad season for Freys and Boltons.

      Thanks for stopping by, my friend. Again, great comment!


      • krisweinrich says:

        Thank you! I always enjoy the opportunity to talk about GOT! By the way, I forgot to mention: good call on the hypocrisy of people who shame Robb for falling in love yet also turn around and shame Jon Snow for doing his part to keep the Free Folk from invading. I think people were too wrapped up in Jon and Ygritte’s romance to be mindful of the consequences of the Free Folk breaching the Wall. I loved her and her sassy ways too, but damn it, her whole anarchist clique was making things awkward and dangerous!

        The Free Folk were not all bad, but they sure as hell weren’t going to play nice with anyone once they got south of the Wall. While Westeros has not been kind to them, their presence would cause huge amounts of conflict. Sooner or later one of the regional wardens would insist they start paying taxes or only hunt in certain areas and all hell would break loose.

        Still, the idea of the Free Folk and their craziness landing squarely in the lap of Roose Bolton does make me giggle, like when the Enterprise teleported the Tribbles onto a Klingon ship.

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  11. rizlatnar says:

    I actually like Robb a ton, and it’s a bit more than just because he’s the spirit of vengeance of his father (though that does have it’s place). Personally, I like him because he did what his father would do, and like Jon Snow, he remembers that his father had a bastard. A stain that still bites his mother, and will obviously effect him.
    He’s actually my favorite of the Starks apart from Jon (despite not having a POV in the books) because he’s: a) KING IN THE NORTH! which allows me to forgive him for his dumbness (I mean seriously, he revived a title that’s been DEAD for three hundred years), and b) because he’s the only one to really show what the Starks are meant to be best at. I’m talking warfare, not like Littlefinger who plays at sissy politics and Tyrion who plays at treacherous intrigue. He shows us that the Starks aren’t completely useless at the Game of Thrones after all, and for that, I could pretty much forgive him for anything.
    And by the way, I actually don’t hate Walder Frey. Sure, he’s a dick, but at least he looks out for his family (at least in the books).

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    • There is something epic and mythic about the entire King in the North situation, and I’m pleased that you can appreciate Robb for that as well. You are totally on point with what an engaging character Robb was, who didn’t get point of view representation.

      Whoa, Walder Frey! Now I’m tempted to write an In Defense of the Freys article, but I don’t have it in me. I agree that Walder probably is looking out more for his family’s prospects than a more personally selfish desire. I guess my hatred for the Freys comes with my experience reading the books. I kind of enjoyed the chapters that included Walder Frey, and could imagine his crabby self being an interesting and wise counselor for Team Stark.

      Then, my hopes were crushed…

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  12. sojournerscribe says:

    I generally agree with your thoughts and have two main points of view in response.

    1. Robb Stark, along with Arya, Dany, Jon Snow, Bran and brienne is a typical fantasy hero. He’s the Prince with a Good Cause. He does everything right: he tries to make things right after tyrants seize the control of the throne, he upholds his honour, he has a cool animal companion, he’s handsome and brave and noble, he’s a good warrior, and he marries for love. Even more so in the show than in the books. This should work according to fantasy novel rules, and it doesn’t.

    2. Robb to be fair to him has poor advisers. Bolton has the charisma of a newt, his mother has no actual plans just a sense of propriety, and everyone else is a lumbering barbarian. Maester Luwin might have given good advice but he’s back in Winterfell. So who does he have? His bannermen seem to be good warriors and warlords, but that’s about it. If Lord Karstark and Lord Umber are any example.

    The tihng about Robb is that like many of the leaders in Game of Thrones, he has no actual policy other than ‘I want to win.’ So he’s a reactionary rather than a planner. His only plan with Frey is “fine, fine, let’s get this out of the way so we can get across the river.’ This is similar to his approach in dealing with Lord Karstark. I suspect that he believed that a general sense of tradition would work, and it doesn’t.

    So I think you’re right about events just carrying on and Robb being swept up in them, and in his similarity to Theon. Just as Theon wants to just show that he is a great man and has no real plan other than that-capture Winterfell and–profit!–Robb Stark really just set off to rescue his father and sisters and ended up being King in the North. No one on his side really knows what they’re doing. I think this made a lot of sense actually and the deadly comeuppance at the hands of the Lannisters and Freys and Boltons also makes sense.

    As far as his love affair went, I think the only thing dividing Robb from Jon is that Jon saw himself as a subordinate who had to do his duty; Robb only had a vague notion of what that duty really was.

    Waht brings that into relief is his apology to Lord Frey. That was an act of weakness. He should have met with Frey privately, had a talk with him, and said, “Look, I decided not to marry your daughter. I can’t dshow favouritism to any one house over another. However I’m going to marry my uncle Edmure to one of your daughters. I’m also taking you as my hostage, but you’ll be well cared for at Riverun. Thanks for the bridge man.”

    Like Theon, Robb is worried about what other people think of him, and that’s natural; he’s young and uncertain of what he’s doing. I think Robb did his best and was in over his head. There’s this scene wher he is in his command tent and his new wife is sprawled out naked chatting with him distracting him, and what red blooded young man would NOT be distracted? He’s overwhelmed with responsibilities and all he has for the most part is lecutring mom, sly Bolton and booming braying savages yelling slogans at him. It’s a tragedy which is why in a lot of ways for me the Red Wedding and aftermath is the peak of the show with nearly everything sloping downwards after that.

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